What's the difference between Royal Canin's "Renal LP" and "Modified"?

Question

I'm not sure what the difference is and the manufacturer's website doesn't go into any kind of detail. Can anyone help me determine which food is best for my kittie? He was diagnosed 18 months ago with kidney problems. He's been on Science Diet's "K/D" and Purina's "NF" formula. Today, I bought the "Renal LP" thinking it was similar to the "modified" but I'm not sure now. Since I haven't opened the box or bag, I thought I'd ask first in case I need to exchange it. By the way, my kittie has been on both Enalapril (medication for heart murmur) and Methimezole (medication for thyroid).

As always, thanks very, very much for taking a minute to help me with your kind words of advice:)

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I'm going to give you different advice then you were looking for. I don';t believe you should feed any of that crap unless your cat is in the final stages.

Treatment of Chronic Renal Failure



If your cat is not in final stages, this is not want you want to do. You do not want to put your cat on the

Vets low protein diet. There are simply so many better options out there than to hand the poor cat a low amount of poor quality protein - which often results in a poor appetite and muscle wasting since the body is now robbing its own muscle mass to feed itself a decent quality and amount of protein.

. There are new thoughts on this and the thinking is it is not the amount of protein but the quality of protein that matters.

The Merck veterinary manual [www.merckvetmanual.com] says that cats need "4 g of protein of high biologic value per kg body wt/day". That's about 7 calories from protein per pound body weight per day. If a cat isn't a good eater and consumes, say, 20 calories per pound per day, then 7/20 = 35% of calories can safely be from protein. It must be high quality protein, which means meat, fish, milk, and eggs, and not grain or soy.



I am under the assumption that you have been feeding mostly dry foods. Many use a vegetable based protein instead of animal and that is part of the problem.. Your cat needs protein as it is a carnivore and cutting down on it will lead to other health issues and may cause faster degeneration.

You want to cut down on fat and phosphorous (no fish allowed now) The best way to do this is with a raw diet which you can make yourself or buy. (Making yourself is better) link provided at the bottom

If you are unwilling to do that then something like the non fish flavors of Wellness or Merrick with NO grains are good alternatives. Wysong is also a good canned choice. This list gives a breakdown. Remember you want low phosphorous

http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm





You also will want to look into phosphorous binders. Something like aluminum hydroxide

Ask your vet or look into calcitrol





You may want to talk to the vet about having injectable Pepcid AC on hand or you can buy it in pill form (ac not plain pepcid) and give 1/4 tab for stomach upset which happens a lot in crf cats due to acid in the stomach.

I hope this stuff helps, here are many links for you

Making cat food

http://www.catinfo.org/makingcatfood.htm

other links. Read, read, read!!!!

http://www.felineoutreach.org/EducationDetail.asp?cat=KidneyDisease

http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_chronic_renal_failure.html

http://www.felinecrf.org/

http://www.felinecrf.com/

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-CRF-Support/

About that vets diet. This report is for dogs but applies to cats

http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Opera/2167/bovee_protein_RD.pdf

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Answer 3

Henry, I'm sorry I don't know the answer to your original question either as I haven't seen the 'modified' version. As someone with a crf kitty though I have to agree with Ken's opinion of renal diets in general. I tried my cat on these diets (Royal Canin LP & Hill's K/D) when she was first diagnosed. The more of these foods I added into her meals the less she ate. As she'd already lost plenty of weight & muscle mass it wasn't something I could persevere with.



Renal diets are low in protein and phosphorous but there's a lot of debate amongst crf scholars now as to whether it's actually helpful to limit protein intake in cats - being the obligate carnivores they are. All agree that phosphorous restriction is crucial (high phos can make a crf kitty feel very unwell, nauseous and can actually make the disease progress faster) but some say that feeding high quality protein (ie. chicken) that the kidneys process more easily could be more beneficial than feeding low protein.



I researched the phos contents of commerical foods and found that Felix senior was lower in phos than many others. My cat has been on this since (with additions of chicken & other foods) - it certainly isn't ideal and I'm still on the lookout for better alternatives but in her case I didn't feel a renal diet was the way to go. In just a few months her weight has continued on an upward trend and she has regained muost of the hind leg muscle she lost too - something i doubt she'd have done with reduced protein.



The links Ken gave you are great. www.felinecrf.org & the yahoo support groups are particularly helpful for information on just about every aspect of crf care.



Sorry for rambling - I know this isn't what you were asking lol! Just another perspective... :- Hope your cat's feeling ok.



P.S. Forgot to add I use AH binders in her food too!

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Royal Canin Renal Lp

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Exercise or no exercise you won't be able to lose the weight if you don't cut your food intake but we all know that's pretty hard, right? A good appetite suppressant can help you out big time but it has to be natural or you can get into serious heath problems.



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Royal Canin Renal

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I can't tell you the difference but I was feeding Eukaneuba and Science Diet to my cat for a sensitive stomach then she was diagnosed with kidney failure. The vet wanted to put her on k/d but I didn't like that because I also had a healthy kitten and didn't think it would be good for the kitten to eat the k/d. If it's so safe, why is it prescription only? Anyway, I did quite a bit of research and with trial and error I ended up with Merrick wet food and Innova Evo dry for my cats. The cat with kidney failure stopped having a sensitive stomach for the most part and her blood values returned to normal. Now there is no indication of kidney failure. She was diagnosed two and a half years ago. I also have an adult cat that is 3 and a 10 month old kitten. The foods I feed are nutritionally complete enough to be fed during all life stages. They have no by products, no wheat, no corn. They are very healthy. You might try using these foods and see how your cat does. My cat with kidney failure went from vomiting once or twice a week to vomiting at most once a month.



Good luck to you.

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