Question:
Thinking about NOT spaying or neutering your pet..read below for more info?
anonymous
1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
Thinking about NOT spaying or neutering your pet..read below for more info?
Twelve answers:
Mr. P's Person
2007-08-11 11:01:41 UTC
Thank you for posting this. Many of us are continually saying this over and over just to get reported for being mean to other users which is not the case.



Anyone who even thinks about breeding any animal should have to spend just one day at a shelter where animals are killed. I'm sure many of them would have at least second thoughts. Only the hardest skinned would go ahead and do it unless they truly were improving their breed and doing it the right way which is probably less than 10% of breeders.



I'm not anti breeding. Far from it if it's done right, but most people are cluless some even to the basics of not knowing how long a pregnancy lasts when they have already bred their dogs. Those are the ones who put most of those poor animals in the shelters along with the owners who are out for "free" puppies/kittens and those who get animals they can;t afford to own.



I alone have rescued over 300 cats in my time. Probably much closer to 400. People breeding so many kittens is an even bigger problem than it is with dogs and Lord knows that's bad enough.
ARE YOUR NEWFS GELLIN'?
2007-08-11 10:53:42 UTC
I feel the same way, except that since I am "into" a specific breed of dog and what it does, I am all for the responsible breeding of dogs. If I could not get a Newf from a breeder, I would not be going to a shelter getting a another variety of dog. I do not believe that everyone that gets a dog or a cat from a responsible breeder is putting another animal to death. That is the fault of crappy breeders and people who get pets with no real thought out into it.

I am a vet tech at a cat shelter and have personally put the needle in COUNTLESS cats. Way too many to count.

The biggest problem is that people do not choose to see that pet ownership is a luxury. People who can barely afford to feed and clothe themselves have a crap load of pets. The cannot afford to spay/neuter, let alone get any other vet care. The let the animals reproduce and give them to others who do the same thing. Those people are the real problem.

I breed my dogs on a limited basis. NO dog I have ever produced is in a shelter taking space from another animal. Good breeders ALWAYS take the dog they produce back for that reason. It is the BYB abd pet stores/puppy mills that fuel the shelters never ending supply of dogs.
Laurie
2007-08-17 17:58:17 UTC
You have done a great service by showing this clip. So many people don't know or don't care to know what happens to animals at the shelter. This is entirely preventable with spay and neuter.

All of my pets came from the shelters except for my dog who I believe was dumped. I have found that these animals make the most wonderful pets.

Thank you.
anonymous
2016-04-01 08:37:28 UTC
Neutering is a completely different issue to declawing because there is benefit to the cat from neutering. In the case of a female cat it can save her suffering womb cancer or pyometra which is an infection in the uterus, this happens because when the queen comes into heat her progesterone levels remain high for 8-10 weeks and thicken in preparation for pregnancy. If pregnancy doesn't occur over the course of several heats the lining of the uterus continues to thicken until cysts form within it, these cysts secrete fluid that create ideal conditions for bacteria to grow within the womb, bacteria is introduced via the vulva. This can happen to young queens but the likelihood increases as the cats gets older. Speying removes the womb and so removes the threat of this happening. Tom cats are notorious for marking and staking their territory and for fighting, this can lead to open wounds which can easily pick up infection in outside conditions and it can also lead to feline leukaemia if the fight is with an infected cat, castration removes most of the male territorial instincts and so removes the need to fight. You cannot compare these procedures with declawing which is always carried out for the benefit of the cat's owner and never for the cat. I'm sorry to say that declawing is the easy option for owners and one which causes great physical and psychological damage to many cats. In more than 25 civilized countries this has been rightly banned for the animal abuse that it is, and our furniture while maybe not PURRfect is good enough, it is love that makes the ideal home and not furniture. When the option of declawing is removed by the ban being enforced in the USA and Canada then owners will either have to tackle their problems in a humane way by providing their cat with scratching posts and gentle training and NOT "swatting" or "bopping" or they will have to decide that to them their furniture is more important than a warm loving companion animal and so not have a cat at all. The ban cannot come soon enough for me and my fellow campaigners, I have seen the damage done to cats by botched declawing operations and I have a collection of personal experiences from cat owners who rue the day that they submitted their cats to this barbaric act.
debs
2007-08-11 10:57:34 UTC
I am a breeder of Siamese cats and if and when I breed my animals I make sure, as best I can that they go to good homes. Now I do appreciate what you are saying but my animals are a breed that people look for and want.
anonymous
2007-08-11 18:37:59 UTC
By Next Year the bill for the Spaying and Neutering will be presented to the Senate again and if it passes then people will have to get their pets Spayed and Neutered and then they will have to get it done or they will have to pay a 500.00 fine. It is going in front of the Senate again in Janurary.
anonymous
2007-08-19 07:05:37 UTC
i feel the same way and i cried reading the last part of your message. my cats are both fixed and if i get a new cat ill definatly get it from the shelter, probably could save a cat's life!
wat
2007-08-17 12:32:39 UTC
When I saw that video, i wanted to cry. It's horrible how many animals they kill! I hope that things will get better in the future.
Stereotypical Canadian, Eh?
2007-08-18 19:29:18 UTC
i always get my animals fixed, but that is so sad about the gas chamber thing!!!!! Thats why i always get my animals from a no-kill shelter.
Michele the Louis Wain cat
2007-08-11 11:17:28 UTC
I agree that people should spay and neuter their animals. There are just too many cats and dogs born every day for loving homes to be found for all of them. The number of animals destroyed on a daily basis is just heartbreaking.



There are also a great many health and behavioural benefits for spayed and neutered cats too.



Intact toms are at greater risk of testicular cancer and prostate problems which can be severe enough to prevent passage of urine, leading to a ruptured bladder and death.

They will also fight over territory and the right to mate a female. It is a part of being a testosterone-fuelled cat. In fighting, they spread and contract incurable FeLV and FIV. There is no vaccine for FIV. Neutered toms are far less likely to fight and these risks are much reduced. Fight wounds can lead to blood poisoning, abscesses, the loss of eyes or ears and wounds can be life-threatening.



An unspayed female is at increased risk of womb infections which will require emergency hysterectomy in order to save her life. They are also at greater risk of mammary cancer. (Failure to treat these conditions in a pet cat constitutes cruelty). Pregnancy in older females is especially dangerous.



Then there is the matter of spraying and other forms of territory marking, which neutered and spayed cats are much less likely to do. This offensive behaviour is guaranteed to make a pet very unpopular with it's owner.



Thanks for posting - I hope it will persuade others to reconsider their opinion.
Fanosparrow
2007-08-14 22:01:07 UTC
what ur saying is true but if someone gave the puppy or kitten to someone they trusted completely then it is, in a way, ok to not have ur pet fixed.
anonymous
2007-08-11 16:43:54 UTC
THIS FILM IS NOTHING compared to SEEING IT IN PERSON and KNOWING you can only SAVE 17 and the other 6 are EUTHANIZED.

or

GOING TO PICK UP 4 DOGs and 1 CAT and as you wonder back YOU SEE YOUR BREED STICKING OUT OF A 55 GALLON DRUM -

BECAUSE they DON'T HAPPEN to LIKE THAT BREED.



OR - -



TELLING PETA THAT YOU HAVE 3 GROUPS WAITING TO TAKE 7 of THEIR PICKED UP ANIMALS......................

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AND PETA R E F U S E S



So, when PETA gets the pets, THEY KILL THEM RIGHT THERE IN the PETA truck ...........

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and.......

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THROUGH THEM IN A DUMPSTER

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after LYING TO EVERYONE !!!!!!!!!!



PETA's attorneys get them off LIGHTLY !!!!





PETA KILLS



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PETA KILLS GOOD, HEALTHY PETS !!!!!!!



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R E S O U R C E S :









Dalmatian at protest over PETA killing Dals.



http://www.petakillsanimals.com/pressRelease_detail.cfm?id=129





PETA trial is over



Dalmatians among those killed by PETA









http://www.petakillsanimals.com/Trial_Day4.cfm



Hinkle and Cook "acted out of love for animals" and "had no criminal intent."

PETA kills animals because "there's an enormous animal overpopulation problem."

Hinkle and Cook were just doing their job. PETA issued "a work order" (literally) and the employees did the work. Hinkle "was assured by PETA that it was perfectly proper and legal for her to go out and administer lethal injections of sodium pentobarbital."

"Those animals would have been put down anyway."





January 28, 2007 | The animal-cruelty trial of PETA employees Adria Hinkle and Andrew Cook has the weekend off, but it's still a hot topic. The Sunday Telegraph is sharing the story with its readers in Great Britain. And dinner-table conversations all over the North Carolina towns of Winton and Ahoskie are



Last, we'd like to share a few thoughts from Ann. She's been watching the trial along with her friends from a local animal-adoption program called PAWS of Hertford County. PAWS stands for "Protecting Animals Worth Saving."







"If PETA were taking [the animals] back up to a big-city area like Norfolk," Ann tells us, "they could find homes, especially for kittens and Dalmatians. They could have been turned in to a Dalmatian rescue. It really would not have been that hard. As soon as we found out these animals were dumped in the dumpster, everyone realized that they weren't given a chance at all."





















http://www.petakillsanimals.com/Trial_Day9.cfm



The End of Happy







Last week Bertie County Animal Control Officer Barry Anderson testified that he trusted Adria Hinkle so much that he asked her to find an adoptive home for one of his own pets. It was a terrier named "Happy." This is what Anderson said on the witness stand last week:







"I knew that by talking to Ms. Hinkle that she could possibly find a home for it, someone that was looking for a good dog … To my understanding, she found a home for it in Virginia ."







Not so much. Hinkle testified today that "the only time I can remember leaving with a dog alive would have been Happy." And although Anderson thought the dog at least had a chance at a better life, she killed it when she got back to PETA's Norfolk headquarters.







Wait. It gets worse.







She sent Anderson photos of the dog taken on the way back to Norfolk . Happy was pictured wearing a leash and a collar, in a flower garden in front of a brick house.







We're not making this up.







Here's how District Attorney Valerie Asbell questioned Adria about those photos:







Asbell: "How did these pictures get back in the possession of [Animal Control Officer] Barry Anderson?







Hinkle: "I sent them to him."







Asbell: "Why?"







Hinkle: "I thought he would appreciate them. I knew that it was a very hard decision for him to give Happy up."







Asbell: "And when you sent these pictures back to him, did you tell him that 'I killed the dog in Norfolk '?"







Hinkle: "No."







Asbell: "Why not?"







Hinkle: "I didn't think it was necessary."







Asbell: "Why?"







Hinkle: "I don't know."







Asbell: "When he gave you this dog, and entrusted you to take it and adopt it, out, why did you not tell him that you killed it?"







Hinkle: "No reason. I didn't want to hurt Barry's feelings."







Asbell: "If you didn't want to hurt his feelings, why didn't you leave the dog with him?"







Hinkle: "I don't know."







R.I.P., Happy.



Ethical, shmethical.







last day of Trial is so deceiving and hypocritical



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What it is about SPAY and NEUTER - - -



- you need to look at both sides of the discussion to be informed.

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It is NOT HEALTHY for animals to be spayed or neutered early.





EVEN VETERINARIANS ARE NOT UP ON THIS SUBJECT and WILL NOT DISCUSS with the REGULAR PET OWNER.



It needs to be not healthy for IRRESPONSIBLE PEOPLE without punishing the responsible breeders.



SINCE the Laws are NOT ENFORCED, I follow-up closely on my puppies to make sure they get neutered/spayed after age 1 year to 18 months.

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I have several solutions, 1 being that a "BREEDER CHIP" be put in all pups & kittens and then 1 "OWNER CHIP" be put in after sold 2 people can be traced & made responsible for lost, stray, bred, etc. pet.



To enforce, use the money saved from fewer euthanasias and the fines for no rabies & no microchips.



Can you imagine if a puppy mill business or a commercial, for-profit back yard breeder had to chip ? If the owner could not be found, the breeder would have to cough up money for re-homing....

or ...

have the one responsible pay for the euthanasia and body disposal. Have court order they hold the pet while it is PTS on top of the fines.

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While the risks may outweigh the cons, please look at the cons in neutering so early.



Special concern would be with



1.) growth plates don't grow properly,



2.) more ACL tears,



3.) more hypothyoridism,



4.) heart tumors,



5.) prostate cancer,



6.) bone cancer,



7.) spay incontinence,



8.) block stones in the penis os.







Something to put in your "Dog Health" file.



http://www.caninesports.com/EarlySpayConsiderations.pdf







SIDE NOTE on GELDING of HORSES



In horses, breeders that are going to geld a stud colt do it early. Why ? Because the growth plates remain 'open' longer and therefore they grow taller. Close observation on the amount of protein and how much the gelding is shaking in the knees (usual area I notice, anyway). The colt is basically unable to support his weight because of the gaps betweent the larger structured leg bones.



If any of you want more information on growth plates not closing in neutering animals - due to the hormones, not just the male or female hormones - please search the net.







At a dog seminar I went to, the veterinarian put on the screen a "specimen" photographs from a vet textbook.



These photos demonstrated * * progressively* dwarfed os penises * from male dogs prematurely castrated at 5, 10, 18, 20 and 50 weeks.





.... EARLY, PREMATURE NEUTERING OF DOGS, "PREMATURE" DEFINED AS.....



"BEFORE COMPLETING PUBERTY AT 50 WKS OF AGE."





"...CASTRATION PRIOR TO COMPLETION OF GROWTH COULD RESULT IN A ......

SMALLER THAN NORMAL OS PENIS."

photos shown left to right ... (L-to-R: At 5, 10, 18, 20, and 50 weeks.)"





After this point in the seminar, it was shown different type of stones obstruct throughout the canine urinary system.



The vast majority of obstructions being at the os penis of the lower urinary system.



FOR THOSE CONCERNED WITH RESCUE AND THE NUMBER OF INTACT DOG ABANDONMENTS, NO QUESTION, IT'S A JUDGMENT CALL.





The source vet journal article was:



"Elective Gonadectomy in Dogs: A Review"



by Katharine R. Salmeri, DVM,

Patricia N. Olsen, DVM, Ph.D. and

Mark S. Bloomberg, DVM, MS.



It was published in the April 1, 1997 issue of the Journal of the American Veterinary Medicine Association, volume 198, pages 1183-1191.









...The most common cause of incontinence in spayed dogs, however, is

urethral sphincter mechanism incompetence (USMI), an ** uncommon disease in intact bitches ** with reported incidences of 0.2%...



... I just wanted to address what appears to be the implication that

incontinence in EARLY-SPAY bitches is somehow different than "normal" spay incontinence.

There may be differences in the incidence and/or intensity of

symptoms with early spay, but the underlying condition is the same... an EARLY SPAY.





Moving on to symptoms, one vet journal article summarizing over 100

publications on neutering, stated animals with spay incontinence "will have

no physical or neurological abnormalities, but will involuntarily leak urine

when recumbent or asleep." That does not mean bitches who leak "when

recumbent or asleep" cannot have another type than spay incontinence.



But ......

if other types are ruled out by history, examination and testing, the vet

generally ends up with a final diagnosis of spay incontinence based on it

occurring during sleep.



My 3 experiences with spay incontinence was classical....the ***** never awoke from sleep while she was leaking nightly, she leaked only when asleep not awake. he never emptied her entire bladder as with normal urinating.



All 3 had been spayed months before her first heat, so her spaying was premature.









Proin's (medication) has effectiveness for most types of incontinence (the bacterial type due

to infection perhaps being an exception) and seems to apply...not "especially"

to early spay incontinence. However, there are some veterinarians that have good results with PPA.





REFERENCE which explains why PPA is more effective for early spay dogs."

Surfing the net with "phenylpropanolamine pharmacology" comes up with many authoritative articles, especially from the National Library of Medicine.

Those strongly suggest the drug acts against all spay incontinence in very

specific ways.



That pharmacologic evidence strongly is supportive of PPA's

chemical action having an affect on certain nerves which enervate structures

of the urinary system including the sphincter muscle. Whatever is the

underlying reason for a sleeping *****'s sphincter muscle to permit leaks,

it's then possible (note "possible") PPA's drug action creates via its

neurological actions what's termed "urinary retention" whether by

strengthening the sphincter or whatever else induces the sleeping leaking.



In the past 15 years, the number of owners with bitches

leaking while still asleep, was unanimous that empirically, PPA proved

effective with their dogs' incontinence. "Empirical" in medicine means "the

proof of the pudding is in the eating." ie. no research



Many vets, for example, will prescribe an antibiotic for a urinary tract infection (UTI) without having the owner authorize a bacteriology culture including disk-sensitivities revealing which of several antibiotics will be the most, specifically

effective against that dog's infecting bacterial species.



If the dog's UTI does not respond, the dog is shifted to another antibiotic until one proves effective. This is empirical drug prescription writing.



I had a ***** with chronic UTI. After running through several unsuccessful antibiotics, I requested a bacteriology culture with antibiotic sensitivity testing. It revealed her * * UTI was caused by not one but three bacterial species, one or all of which was unresponsive to the prescribed antibiotics. * * The cost of

the bacteriology test, though not inexpensive, was less than what the series

of unsuccessful antibiotics had been. I also had a girl that had to continue on an anti-biotic for 6 weeks .... per instructions of specialist and after the C&S.





With bitches, prices can vary depending whether the spaying is a

** total hysterectomy **

or

a **partial spay** -

leaving some of the female genitals intact, even though she may be functionally neutered.



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Read below for even MORE info on WHY TO NOT SPAY or NEUTER an IMMATURE ANIMAL : :





http://dogtorj.net/id57.html





Neutering Issues



Early Spaying- A Good Idea?

The Rottweiler Study

The Negative Aspects of Neutering Your Pet





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http://www.caninesports.com/EarlySpayConsiderations.pdf



Something to put in your "Dog Health" file.



Spay/nueter is not the innocuous procedure that they let you believe. Spayed/nuetered dogs have a greater incidence of bone

cancer, more prostate cancer, heart tumors, the growth plates don't grow

properly, more ACL tears, more hypothyroidism, etc.,



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http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/cgi/content/full/11/11/1434



In summary, this study found that male and female Rottweilers with the shortest lifetime gonadal exposure had the highest risk for bone sarcoma. Dogs that underwent early elective gonadectomy had a one in four lifetime risk of bone sarcoma development compared with a significantly reduced risk among dogs that were sexually intact throughout their lifetime.

Although it remains unclear how endogenous gonadal hormones influence bone sarcoma development, our work provides the framework for selecting a target population for bone sarcoma prevention studies. We have identified a subgroup of Rottweiler dogs, recognizable as.......

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The fact that spay and neuter isn't as good for dogs as we have been told is just the tip of the iceberg.



A large part of the spay/neuter (or speuter) drive as some say, came out of the covert activities of the animal rights orgs- PeTA and the Humane Society of the US. Their admitted goal is the extinction of all pet animals and food animals. "One generation and out," says Wayne Pacelle of HSUS. So, they started a campaign to inform people that speutered animals are happier and healthier.



They also worked underground within the breeders community to put out the message that "responsible" breeders spay and neuter every puppy they sell. That's a great way to limit the breeding pool. I know of many breeders who look at their pet puppies later and find several that they wish they hadn't speutered.



This all started before the bloom of internet lists, so no one really knew what was going on. Now as people compare notes on line every day and with the availability of lists like pet-law, everyone is finding out that a lot of these so-called "good breeder" practices were driven by the animal rights orgs.



They say dog show breeders need to stop breeding because we're contributing to the number of dogs in the pounds and shelters. I know there are purebreds in the pound, but most are not, so that shoots that one down.



Also, the euthanasia rate in the country is down by 75% over the past 10 years. Something is working. Some shelters are even importing puppies from other countries because they don't have any dogs to sell.



The ar's can't touch the commercial breeders since they're protected by the USDA, so they turn on the hobby breeders to reach their goal of zero dogs/cats/ferrets/goldfish/etc. They started the term "puppy mill" and "puppy factory." I agree that there are horrible commercial breeders out there, but there are some that treat their sires and dams well and treat the puppies well. They try to sell healthy puppies because they don't want to lose business for selling a shoddy product. Then there are the Amish/Mennonite farmers who don't have much invested in the "business" so don't worry if they lose a bunch of dogs. They're just trying to make the most while investing the least.



But the bottom line is that the ar groups pitted the show/hobby breeders against the commercial breeders (the best term, btw) in a divide and conquer movement.



Show/hobby breeders never have and never will be able to keep up with the demand in many breeds, so we actually need the commercial breeders to keep supply up and prices somewhat lower than they might be if only show/hobby breeders were breeding.



Meanwhile, some breeds are on the verge of extinction anyway as they have natural temperaments that make them less appealling or because they have a natural low birth rate.



It's a pretty high traffic list, but if you're interested, join pet-law@yahoogroups.com Walt Hutchens is the moderator and a sane and reasonable person. There are no flaming lunatics on the list, but there are some ar moles But the good thing is that their groups and their goals have been "outted" and more people can now recognize an ar agenda.



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The information on this subject is available to all of us, as it's

already been published in the veterinary medical literature.



Any of us can search the medical databases using PubMed, and now Google

Scholar.



I made a number of trips to the Univ. of California, Davis

medical libraries to copy papers from medical journals.



And I read them. I have a science background but not a medical background.



One of the things I found interesting in doing this is that sometimes published research gets misrepresented even in peer-reviewed medical journals.



An example is the 1969 epidemiological study on mammary

cancer risk as a function of spay timing. This is THE source of the recommendation ever since to spay female dogs when they are young to prevent this cancer.



That study has gotten misinterpreted by other researchers in their published papers, and by veterinarians. The text of the thing is plain and clear, to anyone who would bother to read it.



While a lot of information on the long-term health effects of

spay/neuter in dogs has already been published, it's scattered around in 50+ separate journal articles.



Often times it's buried in articles like "Host related risk factors for canine osteosarcoma", which examined a number of risk factors for this cancer, not just spay/neuter.



What's been missing is that no one has published a review article on this subject in the veterinary medical journals.



One often finds review articles on various topics in medical journals. I got tired of waiting for somebody else to do it, that's why I wrote it.

I didn't write it for formal publication in a veterinary medical journal, but for a wider distribution.



For example, I had to remove medical jargon and use terms that most of us are familiar with (ovariohysterectomy =spay, gonadectomy = spay or neuter, neuter can mean spay or neuter, etc.)



For example, if one does a bit of googling, one will find hundreds of documents.



These almost always falsely assert that neutering reduces

or eliminates the risk of prostate cancer in dogs.



In addition, they almost never mention the most serious downside risks of spay/neuter...

such as documented increased risks of osteosarcoma and

hemangiosarcoma...

cancers that are far more likely to kill dogs than all of the cancers of the reproductive organs, combined.



I've spent a good bit of time reviewing the veterinary medical

journals and research on the long-term health impacts of spay/neuter in dogs. I've written a paper summarizing this literature.



Unlike what you will find in Spay/Neuter Fact Sheets, the health impacts of spay/neuter that are discussed in this paper are all backed up with citations to the veterinary medical literature.



You can find the paper here:



http://escregistry.kattare.com/healthEffectsOfSpayNeuterInDogs.pdf



I started this effort in an attempt to find the factual basis behind

the health benefits that are claimed for spay/neuter. I believed what

we've all been told, that spay/neuter is a huge win for canine health.

I was surprised by what I learned.



It is astonishing to me that the California Veterinary Medical

Association is lobbying hard for mandatory early spay/neuter of all

dogs and cats, given what the body of documented evidence in

peer-reviewed veterinary medical journals indicates about the health

impacts of these procedures.



This reaffirms what I've noticed for some time...



Even MANY VETERINARIANS are UNAWARE of what the

veterinary medical literature has to say about spay/neuter health impacts.



+ Laura Sanborn


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